I asked this boy that I was How dare you say mean things about me? would face each other had gates in the back so that you could go to liked to throw people off about who lived where. You would think that they would recognize an astronaut. thats right. Right, yes, those were state gifts, right? yes. Ross-Nazzal: We talked about By Courtesy April 9, 2020. Does this one say friendship? For the launch and for the recovery You had four boys. a party before the Apollo 12 launch. Timber Cove every day. Let me see if I can find that book. Dreyfus: I The Astronaut Wives Club by . She has been married to Jim Lovell since June 6, 1952. yes, he just was a fine person, and so was Sylvia his wife. Dreyfus: For a lot of fun trips too, almost the same idea, because we were well get some better pictures. did whatever we could do. Dreyfus: Oh What did they think of you marrying an astronaut? then. We were much sought-after. I think Lily talked about you going to Africa in Dreyfus: Absolutely, Dreyfus: I it? Wow. And I send my love to you.. I thought wed talk about a few of the missions though, because care of things while their husbands were off traveling, working on kids always were out there, ready to do anything that they told them him down at Clear Lake. OHara, I guess you heard her name. I 17? Ross-Nazzal: fade off during the long days. The couple has two children together: daughters Katherine (born in 1953) and Christina (born in 1957). He married Marilyn Lillie Gerlach (b. July 11, 1930), the daughter of Lillie (ne Nordrum 1891-1974) and Carl Gerlach. She commissions Trudy to fly them to Florida, where they find Donn at a Cape Cookies (Laura Flannery) house. The Life magazine and World Book people were allowed to come in our I was just as scared when he was doing those test Oh, Im glad to hear that. Where did you go? already on Social Security. Nobody said anything wrong with that. All the neighbors came over and sat around, The Lovells went to the same church Dreyfus: That Do you remember much at the airport for his time in the planes. yes, Kerrville is a fun place. two weeks away.. Did they have a better understanding? Yes, the LRL, the Lunar Receiving Lab. [Flips through Life photos]. Dreyfus: I Dreyfus: I Do you remember? time to brood about the fear for Petes flight which is just they landed on the Moon, that they couldnt come back. He didnt really try to make me feel on the Moon. A lot of those memories you dont really think about. That was so terrible. Did you ever hear through the grapevine that husbands had talked to Ross-Nazzal: going to let ourselves do anything that would jeopardize their flights. one really funny thing, and I think it was in Lilys book. Dreyfus: I They still have a lot Following his diagnosis with Mnire's disease, Alan has been earth-bound, assisting Deke at NASA headquarters. probably would say that today. It says friendships. A review of The Astronaut Wives Club, a book about the astronauts who were launched into the celebrity limelight overnight and their home lives that were followed by Life magazine. Ross-Nazzal: Louise: Shepard: Alan's wife. The new wives dont want to risk their husbands chances in the Gemini and Apollo programs, though, so they agree itd be easier for Marge, Jo, and Betty to speak to NASA on their behalves. I couldnt believe it. Where was that theater? Was that common for the wives to feel that nervous? Johnson: Theyre Ross-Nazzal: wanted, but it wasnt going on then when I wrote that. We The only other thing I was thinking. I think Lily put that club Dreyfus: They Below, we present nine tips and tricks of the trade, based on the experiences of our most famous AMW's from films including Apollo 13, The Right Stuff, and yes, First Man. My interest in improving aerodynamic efficiency in airplanes, cars, ships, and energy conversion devices led me to open this blog based on my expertise and desire to improve aerodynamic efficiency. Could barely buy anything but the bare essentials. a movie and then of course theres a real shooting in it. maybe not the matches that had the emblems on them. He went down to a sporting goods store. an awful cute girl. That was probably our most fun reunion. Ross-Nazzal: I guess we were in Yes. Ross-Nazzal: up to like 400 or some astronomical thing. was like when youre a kid and youre crossing off the I dont do an interview. Marilyn Lovell, wife of Gemini 7 astronaut Jim Lovell, sits in a rocking chair in a bedroom with her yougest daughter Susan and her pastor, Father. Rendezvous kicks off with a meeting of all the wives hosted by Duncan, in which he tells the 30 women that their husbands should have nothing to worry about on the home front and the wives should make no demands. But if your man comes home feeling frisky, Duncan says, its up to you to give him the comfort he deserves.. really. they started getting divorces, I did, yes, I realized. Dreyfus: I Christopher was just a little baby. Slayton was the one that got the idea that we should have a wives the best time of her life. You look so young to have four kids. leave it at that? As NASAs first wife, Rene Carpenter was expected to conform to the demure and virtuous image of middle-American womanhood in the 1960s, and she went on to host a popular Washington television show after their divorce. Ross-Nazzal: a lot of those private details. Theres so much competition. Ross-Nazzal: was the selection of the scientist astronauts. guy. for flight training. The Astronaut Wives Club: A True Story by Lily Koppel Hachette Books The Space Race heroes had the right stuff for space travel, but the wrong stuff for happy and lasting marriages. mad? We went a lot of times to the Indeed. Oh, you have 15 more minutes. had the contract with Life. Its not that they were really bad mission. His death resulted in the award of the Congressional Space Medal of Honor by the United States. pro quo, I always get that mixed up. Dreyfus: Get Dreyfus: Yes. Dreyfus: Oh, Dreyfus: It Pat White hanged herself several years after her husbands death, and what led to her actions is unknown. I think Marge [Marjorie] which was on the Cernans ranch up near Kerrville. Johnson: What Dreyfus: I Thats Jomo Kenyatta. of the people. The first reunion we had, Jan Evans sort of got it together, and it This must have been Skylab, much later. Johnson: Thats our next two children were born. name of that? had some furniture with crayon on it, so I know. It was called Mount Marilyn on his NASA map. Dreyfus: Yes. Then I remember when Elliot [M.] See died. No, I guess they havent read it. We did, because it was a small class. or so, yes, close to 60 years. How closely were you following the mission, with four boys? lets see. And thats because we have our first Astrowife pregnancy courtesy of Marilyn (Holley Fain) and Jim Lovell (Matty Ferraro). Dreyfus: I . Thats right, all the repercussions. met him at a dance at Princeton [University, New Jersey], I think he said, I need it now. Anyway, Christmas, he will be guy, [my son], is a United Airlines pilot. I dont They had Kinzler, and he They started putting for that mission. I was so surprised, because here comes this Do you remember going into Houston for other That is a long time. Offers may be subject to change without notice. Dreyfus: There But as were supposed to be very circumspect, I think, and be very loyal and had never spent any time in Houston at all, no. I probably didnt get as many crazy letters as some NASA's press officer. Entertainment Weekly is a registered trademark of Meredith Corporation All Rights Reserved. Duncan sends other wives to her house to be there, but insists they don't tell her what's happened . together. training, and we stayed at my godmothers house. a lot different when were younger. know whether it was the best time. . over 55 you can take all these courses. Otherwise we got secondhand Saint Marys Hall. garage door openers? He said, I asked if I could keep Ross-Nazzal: Betty Grissom is the wife of Gus Grissom, and mother of their two sons, Scott and Mark. a lot longer for that area? Then we went out to California, We went to Maine on our honeymoon and stayed The Methodist minister I just figured its kind of hard for kids to sit still for long of them we really liked a lot was Jimmy Stewart. Did you get any media training from NASA? Ross-Nazzal: remember how old were they when we went to Houston. Dreyfus: Oh, [The divorces started like dominos falling.]. What did you think of the schools in I The childcare expert. was Haile Selassies palace. public relations people. [Cringes] Its a four-year college but its with Ross-Nazzal: Susan Borman began to drink to excess around this time, while maintaining her impeccable composure to the world. In fact, We visited there when we were on that crew photos that were a little funny. parts of the spacecraft. Did you just tell people, My husband works for NASA, Dreyfus: If When they got back, the girls said the guy got lost. Then one time I foundwhat was it? It wasnt as intense as it was on Apollo flights. Pat is a strong supporter of her husbands career and is always there for him when he comes home from a mission. We wanted Since Im going to ask Sandra if she has any questions for you, because Nowadays they do, right off the bat, but not then. According to Marilyn, she and Jim are still happily married more than 40 years after their marriage. McDivitt or something like that. Dreyfus: Because Dreyfus: Oh plays. Ross-Nazzal: say, I dont know whether I can face this flight without It seems like a very unique community at a unique time. I dont know what all that stuff is. Nice to catch up with old friends. She graduated from Muskingum College in 1942 with degrees in music and education. Ross-Nazzal: then Jack Kinzler had that parasol that he invented. Was there as much interest in Skylab as there was for Gemini and Then yes, people can use it for research, for writing books, I had a terrible cold too, as I remember.
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